Tim sits down with Ramone Pickover, the powerhouse drummer for Grand Mirage. Ramone shares the story behind their gritty new single, Ill-Gotten Gains, including a look inside the sawdust-filled Welsh lovespoon workshop where they filmed the music video. He also discusses his book, Life in 8 Beats: A Guide to Using Rhythmic Principles for Personal Growth.

• Show notes: go.timsmal.com/ramone