I finally sit down with Diana Pasulka to talk about UFOs, alien intelligence, AI, psychedelics, transhumanism, and the strange religious framework forming around all of them. We look at how these phenomena overlap with older spiritual categories, and why the promise of technological transcendence may be a counterfeit of something Christianity already understands.

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Coming up

01:58 – Introduction

02:52 – How a Religious Studies Scholar Ended Up Studying UFOs

08:52 – UFOs as Religious and Spiritual Phenomena

13:25 – A Demonological History of the World

14:41 – The Mythology and Narrative of UFOs

16:38 – Why Governments Use UFO Disinformation

20:56 – Technology, Magic, and Non-Human Intelligence

24:22 – Aliens, Demons, and the Modern Image of the “Grey”

27:43 – Psychedelics and Encounters With Other Beings

30:19 – AI as an Alien Intelligence

32:02 – UFOs and the Promise of a New Revelation

34:29 – Spielberg and the Alien as Saviour

38:35 – Arthur C. Clarke, Demons, and Childhood’s End

40:50 – Transhumanism vs. Christian Transfiguration

45:42 – God’s Dog: Monk

46:42 – Aliens as Our Future, “Evolved” Selves

49:06 – How the Alien Narrative Collides With Christianity

52:36 – Project Stargate, Remote Viewing, and Psychic Espionage

56:18 – Why Is the AI Project Also Called “Stargate”?

57:30 – 2001: A Space Odyssey, AI, and UFO Disclosure

01:01:29 – AI Is Feeding on Us

01:03:00 – How Should Christians Respond?

01:06:26 – AI Cannot Give Us Transcendence

01:08:42 – Recovering the Spiritual Senses

01:10:39 – Isolation Makes Us Vulnerable to Propaganda

01:11:39 – Diana’s Next Book on Christianity

01:13:00 – The Noosphere, the Singularity, and an Apocalyptic Moment

01:17:06 – Christianity Makes Us More Human

01:18:20 – Conclusion