Today we’re sharing an episode of Apple News In Conversation, guest hosted by Sam. 

The headlines say that American men are in crisis. But what does that actually mean — and what does it look like up close? 

Journalist Jordan Ritter Conn spent five years inside the lives of four different men to find out. His new book, American Men, explores the gap between masculine ideals and the reality of men’s lived experience. Sam sat down with Ritter Conn to talk about what those four lives reveal about masculinity, inadequacy, and what the national conversation about men keeps getting wrong. 

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