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Episode Description
He needed a big retailer's data to build the product. No big retailer gives data to a company with no product. Felix Hoffmann solved it sideways: 7Learnings sold a paid consulting project, kept the right to use the data, and built its predictive pricing product on top of it. Ten customers later it was at $1M ARR, and he had closed every one himself.
Felix explains why a demand forecasting product cannot start with a small customer, how he structured the first pilot as an A/B test so a retailer could hand over half its prices without betting the business, and what happened when the first run came back far too expensive.
Plus: how a pricing optimization company prices itself, and why he refuses success-based fees even though he can prove the uplift.
7Learnings is a Berlin company whose software forecasts demand for each product at each price, then sets the price that hits a retailer's goal. It is now at multiple seven figures in ARR with around 40 customers. Felix spent six years as a pricing consultant at Kearney and two years running price optimization at Zalando before founding it.
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🔑 Key Lessons
- 🎯 Solve the data cold start by selling something else first: 7Learnings could not train a forecasting model without a large retailer's sales history, so it sold a paid consulting project and kept the right to use that dataset.
- 🤝 Shrink a scary ask into a reversible test: Retailers would not hand pricing to an algorithm outright, so 7Learnings ran an A/B test on half the assortment while the retailer's own team priced the rest.
- 📉 Pick an early customer who can survive a failure: The first live pricing run was badly wrong on high-priced products. It survived because the buyer had a big enough problem, no alternative, and understood they were working with a startup.
- 💰 Price high enough to lose some deals: His test is blunt. If nobody is walking away because you are too expensive, you are too cheap, especially for a complex product carrying real delivery cost.
- 🚀 Founder-led sales lasts longer than founders expect: Felix closed all ten customers behind the first $1M ARR himself, and stayed closely involved through the next forty, because handing off enterprise sales is genuinely hard.
- ⚡ Pick the technology after the problem, not before: Felix argues founders are all digging in the same technical space, and that decisions needing determinism, low cost and explainability should not be handed to an LLM.
Chapters
- Where the idea came from: Kearney, then Zalando
- The hardest part was finding co-founders
- The consulting project that funded the product
- Finding the first paying customer
- Structuring the first deal as an A/B test
- The first upload was a disaster
- How a pricing company prices itself
- Ten customers to $1M ARR
- The price matching objection
- Why LLMs don't belong in the pricing decision
Resources
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