Is perfection the enemy of a great show? Rapper, actor and cook, Loyle Carner joins Romesh to talk about the parallels between comedy and music on stage. Ben puts Loyle to the test with a (terrible) food-themed gameshow – and Loyle opens up about his new album Hopefully!, and how he sees it as a time capsule for his children.

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00:00 Pizza shops and bakeries
02:56 “Thinking woman’s crumpet”
04:20 Mumsnet's 7th sexiest man
06:36 Romesh’s formal intro to Loyle Carner
08:02 Surprise Game - Ottolenghi or Nottolenghi?
17:42 AD — Santander Edge credit card
18:25 Glastonbury: Why mistakes are good
23:32 Inspired by Lianne La Havas
28:10 New album & feeling pressure
31:59 Touring with kids
33:16 Getting parenting wrong
36:07 Shanthi's voicemail
39:02 GOAT rappers
43:02 Privacy vs literal
45:53 MISQUOTED: We're not heroes. We're weirdos.
47:04 Tesco-bag raps
50:49 Bluey wisdom
52:07 Acting in Mint (BBC)
55:49 James Bond Exclusive

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