In a departure from the typical "Recommends" format, Ben Lindbergh brings on 'Vulture' TV critic and 'TV Is Good' cohost Kathryn VanArendonk for a wide-ranging discussion centered on a sci-fi/fantasy pairing of 'Outlander' (which just concluded an eight-season Starz run), 'For All Mankind' (which just wrapped its fifth season of six on Apple TV), and their respective spinoffs (especially 'Star City,' which just premiered). They start by assessing how much the shows have in common, what sets them apart, and how they reflect TV trends, before diving deeper into each franchise, first in a high-level way and then (with warnings) by reacting to the latest seasons.

(00:00) Intro

(04:14) Kathryn VanArendonk Joins

(15:39) 'Outlander'

(38:29) 'Outlander' Spoilers

(48:18) 'For All Mankind'

(65:03) 'For All Mankind' Spoilers

(78:25) 'Star City'

Host: Ben Lindbergh

Guest: Kathryn VanArendonk

Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman

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