The Ringer's Ben Lindbergh and Michael Baumann talk to former White House press secretary Josh Earnest about his Royals fandom (03:20), following baseball in the White House (13:55), President Obama's trash talk (15:30), sticking (or not sticking) to sports (20:15), MLB's PR approach (24:00), the Cardinals hacking scandal (28:50), and his plans for the future (32:35). Then they bring on veteran big league reliever Craig Breslow to discuss how he used statistics and technology to emulate other relievers (36:25) and reinvent himself at the age of 36 (53:50).

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