Jonah Goldberg is joined by Cass Sunstein, legal scholar and author of Manipulation: What It Is, Why It’s Bad, What to Do About It, to define liberalism once and for all (it means being a mensch), explain the role of “nudging” in public policy, and defend the “abundance” agenda.

Show Notes:
—Sludge: What Stops Us from Getting Things Done and What to Do About It

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