In the second part of a special crossover episode, John Heilemann welcomes New York Times columnist, podcasting dynamo, and de facto Democratic strategist Ezra Klein to discuss the state of the nation: Trump, tariffs, the looming Newsom–Vance showdown, and more. 

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