“Even if the US president is an idiot… he’s still the most powerful man in the world.” is just one of the sharp-edged insights from Seán Lemass, a leader who believed in decisive action and wasn’t afraid to provoke in the pursuit of progress. Pat is joined by Ronan McGreevy to unpack his book ‘Seán Lemass: The Lost Memoir’, which is a remarkable reconstruction of Lemass’s own voice drawn from 22 hours of recordings.