Sophia Wilson Pelton and KP Parker welcome two-time Survivor player and author Stephen Fishbach to talk sleep on the island, strategic storytelling, and the practice of painting miniatures.

Sleep Hygiene, But Make It Warhammer: Stephen shares his surprisingly soothing bedtime routine involving painting Warhammer miniatures.

Bamboo vs. Hammock: What does sleep look like on Survivor? Think uneven bamboo poles, monsoon rains, and if you’re lucky: a fishing net hammock under the stars.

Reality TV Is a Storytelling Machine: Stephen opens up about his novel Escape, the real-life bonds between contestants and producers, and why Survivor fans might just be the most strategic community around.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Intro & Survivor superfan confessions

01:00 Stephen’s Hatch sleep system

02:14 Painting miniatures before bed

05:47 Secret Survivor fans everywhere

06:35 Inside the novel Escape

10:00 Sleeping on bamboo in Cambodia

11:00 The hammock upgrade

13:33 What no sleep does to your brain

16:18 Survivor Season 50 predictions

21:08 Real-life Survivor games

24:00 A very sweet goodnight

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