In this deeply honest and expansive conversation, Paul and Tegan sit down with musician and advocate Jon Hart to explore identity, late diagnosis, burnout, creative processing, and what it means to unmask in an industry that often rewards performance over wellbeing.

Jon shares his journey from building and losing a music business to experiencing a mental health crisis that ultimately led to discovering his ADHD and autism. What followed wasn't just recovery — it was what he calls a five-year metamorphosis.

Together, we explore:

• The crash that forced a reinvention
• ADHD, autism, and late diagnosis in adulthood
• Music as nervous system regulation
• Why "sex, drugs & rock and roll" hides unhealthy coping
• Processing through creativity as an "external hard drive."
• The power of sitting in the mud with someone instead of fixing them
• Why neurodivergence isn't a deficit — it's creative wiring
• What the music industry must confront about inclusion
• Building community for neurodivergent musicians
• Jon also shares practical strategies he uses to regulate and protect his well-being online and build sustainable systems as a neurodivergent entrepreneur.

If there's one takeaway from this episode: Process what you're going through in a way that feels natural to you — your creativity can become your clarity.

Connect with Jon Hart:

https://jonhartmusic.com/ndm

Music about page: https://jonhartmusic.com/about

Facebook: facebook.com/jonhartmusic

Instagram: instagram.com/jonhartmusic

Youtube: youtube.com/jonhartmusic

TikTok: tiktok.com/@jonhartmusic

Listen, follow, and share with someone who needs to feel less alone in their journey.

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