In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Pope Francis, dirty dishes, eternal life, and Dave's new book, The Big Relief. Also, RJ bleeds in the pulpit while Sarah takes us to the alley.

• Click here to listen to (and watch) Gregory Porter sing "Take Me to the Alley".
• Click here to read Ellen Cushing's "There Are Two Types of Dishwasher People" in the Atlantic.
• Click here to read "The Work of Small Talk" from the Oliver Bateman Does the Work substack.
• Click here to order Dave's book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World.
• Click here to listen to the interview that RJ mentions (Dave on Give + Take with Scott Jones). Or here to watch it.
• Click here to read Bryan Jarrell's piece, "Eternal Life Is Not Embarrassing" on Mbird.