Dagan Thogerson has played over 2,000 shows in his career, including 15 years behind the kit for the legendary indie-rock band Murder by Death. He joins Tom to peel back the curtain on the "Road Dog" lifestyle and the transition from a 16-year-old playing biker bars to a professional session musician.

We dive into the "B-Side" of the music industry: the part that involves spreadsheets, ticket counts, and boundaries. Dagan explains why the most important skill for a touring professional isn't how fast you can shred, but whether you're a "good hang" who is reliable and accountable when things get messy - a truth that translates directly from the tour van to the office.