In this episode, Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer cover:

- Who gained what after Trump’s meeting with Saudi Crown Prince MBS?

- How does the corruption scandal inside Zelensky’s government intersects with a new U.S. push for a Ukraine peace deal?

- Tabletop:  the risks of re-orienting the national-security apparatus  to immigration enforcement.

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Show notes and a transcript of the episode are available here.

References and Supplemental Readings:

- “Disrupting the first reported AI-orchestrated cyber espionage campaign” Anthropic Report, 11/13/25. 

- “The Risky Movement to Make America Nuclear Again,” Michael Riley in Bloomberg News, 10/30/25.

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