A miserable afternoon at the Etihad as the Reds failed to build on the impressive midweek win against Real Madrid and instead produced arguably their worst display of the season. 

Defensively weak, insipid in attack and not helped by Michael Oliver doing Michael Oliver things on VAR, it was a depressing way to go into the international break and there's still lots of work to be done to turn this around.

TLW Editor Dave Usher is joined by Paul Natton and Dan Thomas to try and make sense of another dreadful display.