Donald Trump in a war of words with the leader of the Roman Catholic Church. The U.S. president refuses to apologise for criticising Pope Leo's opposition to the Iran conflict. He says the pontiff should stay out of American affairs. So, is this political interference or a moral duty to speak out? And what are the consequences?

Host: Folly Bah Thibault

In this episode:

• Cornel West, Professor and Dietrich Bonhoeffer Chair at the Union Theological Seminary
• Adolfo Franco, US Republican strategist
• Christopher White, Vatican journalist and author of a book on Pope Leo  

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