Brian and Sebastian sit down with poet-farmer Michael Martin for a wide ranging conversation on the renewal of metaphysical imagination. The discussion moves through sacramental perception, the life of symbol and myth, beauty as a discipline of thought, and the practice of reading texts and experience with patient inward attention. It reflects on language, tradition, and education, and asks what it might mean to cultivate an intellectual and spiritual sensibility that remains receptive to depth rather than content with surfaces.