Architect, systems innovator, and Dark Matter Labs co-founder Indy Johar joins Jonathan F.P. Rose for a far-reaching conversation on how we might redesign the invisible operating systems of society for a more just, regenerative, and compassionate world. Together they explore relational citizenship, radical civic economies, bioregional organizing, and why care, presence, and partial knowing are essential foundations for the future. They also examine what it means to be human in an age of AI, and how human, ecological, and machine intelligences might co-evolve without separation. 

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