The trial of Gisèle Pelicot shocked France - a case so disturbing it forced a national reckoning about consent, complicity, and the terrifying ordinariness of the men accused.But as the world continues to confront the vast scale of abuse linked to billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein, it raises a deeper question: are these crimes the work of monsters, or do they reveal something far more disturbing about power, entitlement, and men?

In today’s episode of the Fourcast, Jackie Long was joined by French philosopher Manon Garcia, whose latest book, Living With Men, reflects on what she witnessed while observing Gisèle Pelicot's trial.