Today I’m talking with Clint Hocking, Creative Director of Far Cry 2 and Watch Dogs: Legion.

Clint has had a long and varied career in the video game industry, working on the original Splinter Cell games, as well as roles at Ubisoft, Valve, LucasArts, and Amazon Game Studios. This ended up being one of the most dense and thought-provoking conversations I’ve had the privilege of recording. The way Clint thinks about video games and how we as players engage with them was such a pleasure to listen to.

We spend a huge part of the conversation diving into Far Cry 2 and unpacking the systems and mechanics that make it feel so distinctive all these years later. Clint talks about the philosophy behind the game’s hostile world design, the tension between player freedom and frustration, and how the team approached emergent gameplay in a way that allowed players to create their own stories through systems colliding with one another. This was really one of the first games that allowed you to feel chaos ensure as you interact with the world around you, and of course inspired what the Far Cry series would go on to be.

 We talk about the psychology of players, the idea of safety and vulnerability in open world games, and why certain mechanics completely change the way we emotionally relate to a space.We discuss things as deceptively simple as whether a character should be able to pet a cat in a game which opens up a much bigger discussion around player expectation and character consistency.

There’s also a lot in here about immersive sims, tabletop RPGs, “ludonarrative dissonance,” and the challenge of designing games that trust players rather than constantly guiding them.

If you’re interested in game design, player psychology, or the thinking behind one of the most divisive and influential shooters ever made, I think you’ll get a lot out of this conversation.

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Each week, host Steven Lake asks the creators behind some of the world’s most influential video games about the meaning of life (in video games), leading to conversations about the personal and creative impact games have had on their lives.