Don chats with Representative Dan Goldman for a powerful conversation aboard the ferry to Ellis Island, a fitting backdrop for a discussion about immigration, identity, and what America stands for. Together, they dive into the current state of immigration policy, the role of ICE, and the growing debate around how migrants and asylum seekers are being treated in the United States today. They also discuss the controversy surrounding Trump’s $1.8 billion taxpayer-funded pool that could benefit political allies and loyalists, and what it says about the administration’s priorities. Against the backdrop of one of the most important symbols of immigration in American history, Don and Congressman Goldman reflect on who gets welcomed into America, who gets targeted, and what kind of country we want to be moving forward.

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