Camilla and Tim are joined by Al Carns, the former armed forces minister who followed his boss John Healey in resigning last week over Keir Starmer’s inadequate Defence Investment Plan.

Elsewhere, they also interview Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch, who offers to help Andy Burnham cut welfare spending to fund defence if he becomes Prime Minister. She also says the Government’s social media ban for under 16s only happened thanks to amendments made by Conservative politicians.

Studio Operator: James England

Producer: Georgia Coan

Video Producer: Will Walters

Social Media Producer: Nada Aggour

Senior Producer: John Cadigan

Executive Producer: Charlotte Seligman

Editor: Camilla Tominey

Highlights

• Al Carns say the Government needs to be bolder
• Kemi Badenoch says Starmer's social media ban doesn't go far enough

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