Most artists wait for the art world to invite them in. Daniel Arsham stopped waiting - and built his own gallery at 21 instead.

In this episode, Kat sits down with Daniel Arsham, one of the most sought-after artists of his generation, to talk about his brand new book Future Relic - a brutally honest handbook written for his 17-year-old self who dreamed of being an artist but had no roadmap to get there.

Daniel's iconic "eroded" aesthetic has made him a singular force in contemporary art, but behind that vision is decades of showing up, collecting failures, and building a career on his own terms - from gutting a Miami house to create a gallery space, to collaborating with Dior, Adidas, Pharrell Williams, and the Cleveland Cavaliers.

In this conversation, we get into:

• Why art school teaches you to make the work but not build a career
• How Daniel got gallery representation with Perrotin after four years of showing up
• The mindset shift that makes walking into intimidating rooms possible
• Why nobody remembers your failures - and why you should collect them anyway
• How brand collaborations funded his practice without compromising his vision
• The power of writing down ultra-specific goals
• Why restraint is one of the most underrated tools in an artist's career

Whether you're just starting out or wondering how to take your practice to the next level, this conversation will inspire you and give you real, actionable perspective on what building a sustainable art career actually looks like.

Get the book: Future Relic by Daniel Arsham

Daniel Arsham's exhibition "Just Various Thoughts" opens March 5th at Perrotin New York.

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