Andrew and Justin reconvene to discuss Anthropic's recent claims that Chinese AI labs are utilizing Claude to improve their own models, before turning their attention to Anthropic's ongoing rocky relationship with the Pentagon. Elsewhere, the two ponder what's happening with local town board meetings grabbing headlines for turning away data centers — and whether a NIMBY response to data centers could cost these towns more than they thing — before Justin shares his experience of building his first iOS app with Codex.

Chapters

00:00 - Intro

01:30 - Anthropic and China

14:11 - Anthropic and the Pentagon

21:05 - Data Centers vs. Town Boards

36:13 - Codex and Utilizing AI Intelligently

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