Staff writer McKay Coppins sat down with Utah Governor Spencer Cox to talk about the future of the Republican party, flashpoint policy debates in his state, and, of course, to ask the governor the question everyone wants answered: Is he running for president in 2028?

This episode features a conversation recorded on May 11, 2026, in Salt Lake City, Utah, as part of our Atlantic Across America series. It was produced in partnership with the Deseret News’ podcast Deseret Voices. 

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