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On this episode of The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast, Ginny Yurich sits down again with Shannan Martin to talk about what it actually looks like to live inside a life that feels heavy and not run from it. Drawing from her new book Counterweights, Shannan shares the simple but profound practice of carrying both the hard and the good at the same time, from grief and church hurt to sea glass on a Michigan beach, Taylor Swift on repeat, and healing found in ordinary moments. This conversation is a reminder that we don’t need to escape our lives to endure them.

Explore more of Shannan’s work at her website and Substack The Soup, and one of her earlier books Start with Hello.

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