Steve Jobs’ greatest leadership lessons did not come during Apple’s rise, they came during exile.

In this episode of Technovation, Peter High speaks with award-winning journalist and author Geoffrey Cain about Steve Jobs in Exile, his new book examining the overlooked NeXT Computer years that transformed Jobs from a volatile founder into one of the most influential business leaders in history.

Cain explores how failure, resilience, discipline, and leadership maturity shaped Jobs during a period widely misunderstood as a commercial detour.

Key discussion points include:

• Why NeXT’s failures became foundational to Apple’s future success
• The leadership lessons Jobs learned through adversity
• How NeXTSTEP evolved into the backbone of modern Apple software
• Why visionary thinking alone is not enough to build enduring companies
• The role of trust, dissent, and elite talent in high-performing organizations