Episode Description
Guest
Michelle Bourbonniere, PhD — SEO strategist, researcher, and founder of Words on the Rise
Freebie: Cheat Sheet to Showing Up Well in AI Answers → words on the rise.com/ai
What we cover
- Is SEO dead because of AI? What’s still true, and what’s changing
- The big shift: AI tools now have access to live search results (and why that matters for small businesses)
- How Google’s AI can personalize results based on what you’ve read vs. haven’t read (helpful… and creepy)
- Why AI Overviews and AI Mode are rewriting your message — and how that affects trust + conversions
- The difference between using AI for generating (emails, scripts) vs searching (recommendations, providers)
- Why being “a dietitian” isn’t enough: how AI personalization can reward specific audiences + specialties
- Off-page SEO is evolving: brand mentions can matter more than backlinks in AI search
- Reddit: how to show up without being salesy (and why etiquette + credibility matter)
- Michelle’s “3 R’s” framework for AI visibility:
- Recognition (does AI understand your brand?)
- Reputation (what does AI say when someone searches your name + reviews?)
- Results (do you appear when someone searches for a provider like you?)
- A practical starting point: test your visibility in an incognito window
- The “wait, WHAT?” moment: AI pulling info from your terms & conditions because it’s the clearest writing
- Are blog posts still worth it? When they do make sense, and when they’re not the best use of time
- Recipe blogs and indexing reality: why Google may ignore “one more chocolate chip cookie recipe”
Action steps mentioned
- Open an incognito browser window and test prompts your ideal clients would ask
- Check whether AI gets your business basics right (services, specialties, location/licensure)
- Make your most important info clear + concise on the pages you actually want AI to cite
- Build consistent brand mentions across platforms (podcasts, bios, socials, community spaces)
Listen/learn more
- Download Michelle’s cheat sheet: https://wordsontherise.com/ai
- Subscribe to her newsletter for ongoing AI search updates (sent about every two weeks)