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Moral Failure and Deadly Negligence (with Sara Pascoe and Matt Winning)

Nov 20, 2025
37 mins

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Episode Description

António Guterres has said that missing the 1.5 degree climate target is "a moral failure and deadly negligence". Is he right?

Dr Matt Winning joins Sara Pascoe and Armando to discuss the language around climate change. Is it proportionately alarmist, or does it just scare us? Are we numb to the jaw-dropping headlines?

Matt has some ideas of how to communicate these complex ideas more succinctly, and tell us of the days spend at COP agonising over whether 'urges' or 'suggests' makes it into an agreement. We also look at how language has been used to put the onus on us, rather than corporations, for waste and pollution, and a Swedish word that should make its way into Keir Starmer's vocabulary.

Listen to Strong Message Here every Thursday at 9.45am on Radio 4 and then head straight to BBC Sounds for an extended episode.

Have you stumbled upon any perplexing political phrases you need Armando to decode? Email them to us at strongmessagehere@bbc.co.uk

Sound Editing by Chris Maclean Production Coordinator - Jodie Charman Executive Producer - Pete Strauss

Produced by Gwyn Rhys Davies. A BBC Studios production for Radio 4. An EcoAudio Certified Production.

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