We usually frame it as risk versus safety. Rob Bell doesn't buy it—in his experience, it's risk both ways. Tami Simon speaks with the New York Times bestselling author, artist, and former pastor about leaving a role that stayed lodged between his ears, the years he spent hiding behind a microphone, and what it costs to keep saying no to the thing pulling at you.

This conversation offers genuine transmission, not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together, and originally aired on Sounds True One. Get a FREE month of membership at https://bit.ly/STOne-Free-Month.

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