Slideshow with Dave Hayward

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Ed Ortega: AI isn't stealing your job. It's changing it. (+ live build demo)

March 8
51 mins

Episode Description

No "AI is coming for your job" panic here. Ed Ortega, partner at Machine and Folk, joins Dave to talk about what AI transformation actually looks like from the inside — and then builds a working CRM prototype live on screen.Ed has spent the last few years watching companies navigate this shift in real time.

In this conversation, he explains why the fear of job displacement misses the point, why the smartest leaders are using AI to multiply their teams, and why the biggest risk right now is standing still while your competitors speed up.Halfway through, we switch gears into a live demo of Pencil — a design tool where drawing and code are the same thing — and watch Ed build a fully designed CRM app from a single prompt. In about ten minutes.

If you work with designers, developers, or anyone trying to figure out where AI fits in your business, this one is worth your time.

In this episode:

  • The gap between AI fear and AI reality
  • The sandwich bet: a framework for specific predictions over vague anxiety
  • Why AI multiplies great teams rather than replacing them- The Cezanne vs Picasso theory of transformation
  • Case study: automating document data extraction (and what the team discovered halfway through)
  • The designer-developer handoff problem — and how Pencil solves it
  • Live demo: building a CRM in Pencil using Claude as the engine
  • Reverse migration: taking existing code back into a design environment
  • What the Toyota production line has to do with your AI workflow


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Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

01:00 Ed Ortega and Machine and Folk

02:00 Is AI going to steal my job?

04:00 The sandwich bet framework

05:30 Early adopter advantage

06:30 The rising tide: multiplying engineers

08:00 The learning curve before the rocket ship

09:00 Switching from ChatGPT to Claude

11:00 Cezanne vs Picasso: two types of transformation

13:30 Agile and lean as the AI framework

15:00 Data extraction case study

18:00 Liberating people from work they shouldn't be doing

20:00 How design sprints have evolved

23:00 Vibe coding and its limits

25:00 The designer-developer handoff problem

27:00 Introducing Pencil

30:00 Toyota, Kaizen, and continuous improvement

33:30 Setting up the live demo

34:00 Demo: building a CRM in Pencil

40:00 Iterating without breaking the code

43:00 Reverse migration

45:00 Generating the Next.js prototype

49:00 Out-of-body experience for designers

50:30 Wrap up

Slideshow with Dave Hayward is produced by Europa Creative Partners.

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