Kevin Frazier sits down with Andrew Freedman of Fathom and Gillian Hadfield, AI governance scholar, at the Ashby Workshops to examine innovative models for AI regulation.

They discuss:

• Why traditional regulation struggles with rapid AI innovation.
• The concept of Regulatory Markets and how it aligns with the unique governance challenges posed by AI.
• Critiques of hybrid governance: concerns about a “race to the bottom,” the limits of soft law on catastrophic risks, and how liability frameworks interact with governance.
• What success looks like for Ashby Workshops and the future of adaptive AI policy design.

Whether you’re a policy wonk, technologist, or governance skeptic, this episode bridges ideas and practice in a time of rapid technological change.

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