Round Table presents the third of six stories from the new podcast, "Sage and Youth: Debating Zhuangzi's Tao." In this episode: is true freedom found outside fame and office? Zhuangzi refuses political power, raising a timeless question about success. One side defends spiritual independence. The other argues real influence requires stepping into the system. For more fascinating stories and heated debates, search "Sage and Youth: Debating Zhuangzi's Tao."