Gyles talks to the writer, psychotherapist and agony aunt Philippa Perry. And this is a fascinating conversation about family dynamics, the salience of childhood experience, and how small adjustments in the way we speak to children can make a big difference to their self-esteem. It's also about how Philippa's own emotionally cold childhood - via Swiss finishing school and private detective work - led her to become one of the UK's best selling writers on psychotherapy. Her books "The Book You Wish Your Parents Had Read" and "The Book You Want Everyone You Love to Read" have sold millions of copies worldwide. Philippa is also well known as the wife of the artist and Rosebud alumnus Grayson Perry, and she tells Gyles about their first date and about why their relationship works so well.

Philippa's Substack is well worth reading and subscribing to here.

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