In this episode of Rock and Rice, we sit down with Daniel Pugeda — a Filipino-American climber whose first outdoor sport climb in the Philippines… was a 5.13a/7c+.

But this conversation goes way beyond that wild first send.

After multiple trips back to the Philippines, Daniel reflects on how his perspective has evolved — from being a stoked first-time visitor to someone thinking more critically about access, privilege, and what it really means to engage with the climbing community back home.

We talk about:

• The realities Filipino climbers face when it comes to travel, finances, and access
• The difference between visiting the Philippines and living there
• How Fil-Am climbers can show up with more awareness and intention
• The rapid growth of the climbing scene — gyms, comps, and community

This episode is about seeing the full picture — not just the climbing, but everything behind it.

Maraming salamat to Charm Bartolay for her interview with us on Episode 2. That episode was the impetus for this one. You can listen to our episode with Charm (and Wilson!) here.

Also, a special mention to Nilo Batle! Listen to learn more. 

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https://www.instagram.com/daniel4nthony/

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Credits

Editor, Onassis Rabanes 

Social Lead, Christine Joy

Host, Tim Casasola