I sit down with clinical psychologist and author Dr. Jeffrey Rubin to explore his concept of meditative psychotherapy — a genuinely reciprocal integration of Western psychoanalysis and Eastern contemplative practice that goes far deeper than the usual mindfulness-lite approaches. We get into what meditation actually is (hint: not just stress relief), spiritual bypassing, the scandals that keep plaguing Buddhist communities, and why real healing requires both quieting the mind and doing hard psychological work.

Highlights:

• Meditation isn't just symptom reduction

• East-West integration done poorly vs. well

• Spiritual bypassing across traditions

• AI, dreams, and idiographic meaning

• Three stages of meditative psychotherapy

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