This conversation was incredible. 

The participants in today's talk designed the following games: D&D 3rd Edition, Apocalypse World, Ars Magica, Over the Edge, and even an "Additional Writing" credit on Daggerheart. 

You have to check this out.  

First up: Jonathan Tweet! A legend with a designer's designer résumé, the kind of mind that can build a rules engine and make it sing. Lead designer of 3rd edition Dungeons & Dragons, Jonathan's sticky fingerprints are all over modern tabletop, and somehow he's still out here pushing the form forward like it's the year 2000 and we just discovered fire.

Batman and Robin. Nick and Nora. Sherlock and Watson. Mario & Luigi. Chocolate and peanut butter. Vincent Baker and Meg Baker. Designers. Provocateurs. They are the Marx & Lenin of the Powered by the Apocalypse revolution. Like Jonathan, to count the games and designers who owe a debt to Vincent and Meg would be to try to count the stars. 

All three of you have been on the show before. So this isn't a first date. This is the sequel. the stakes are higher, and this conversation I hope will be dangerously good.

Check out Jonathan's book about evolution for kids, Grandmother Fish! (My 4-year-old fully endorses this book.)

Embrace the work of the Bakers with In Dreaming Avalon, wherein Arthurian knights meet Shakespearean fairies.