Cat & Brandon chat about being a CaLiFoRnIaN turned prairie punk, harvesting wild rice, living out of a backpack, tanning hides, becoming an ethical landlord on accident, turning your attic into a climbing gym, slinging gems at the rock and gem shows, becoming a welder and fabricator, discovering Minneapolis, Battle Train, snow removal, making traditional drums, protest marching band, and dabbling in every damn thing you could ever even think of. Intro Nature Boys Outro Permanent Vacation