On the latest Psicoactivo, I get to sit down with former NAVY nuclear material expert, Rob Jones. We discuss the brilliant work he did while looking into the money trail from the UFO Legacy Program, his work with UAP Gerb, skepticism & much more. We hope you like it.

Timestamps

00:00 Intro.

01:40 Rob Jones introduces himself.

03:52 A ‘Subject Matter Expert’.

04:45 How Rob got started in the UFO field. 

11:35 Rob’s family history with the NAVY.

14:45 Rob’s love for comic books & manga.

15:49 Rob’s work with UAP Gerb & Kermit.

15:22 Rob Jones ousted as Eric Davis’ ‘Salad Man’. 

19:25 Rob’s research goes after the Legacy Program’s finances. Naming names.

29:35 Could UFOs be Nazi technology?

34:32 Rob Jones’ work with nuclear material in the NAVY. 

36:45 Rob explains the type of work he does with nuclear material. Hot water vs cold water. 

42:13 Rob’s thoughts about The Age of Disclosure.

46:21 How to steel-man arguments about Amnesty for Legacy Program members. 

48:15 Struggle to keep the secrecy against the Legacy Program & potential solutions. 

51:20 Does Rob think some of the people involved in Age of Disclosure are part of The Legacy Program?

55:23 Rob’s thoughts on Jay Stratton & Skinwalker Ranch.

1:00:54 Rob’s thoughts on counter intel being run on social media UFO circles. 

1:05:26 Rob on UFO Whistleblowers on David Grusch’s level.

1:09:23 Rob’s thoughts on the UFO Disclosure movement within the context of Age of Disclosure. 

1:12:46 Humanity’s adversarial nature from the world’s super powers.

1:14:23 Rob’s thoughts on the tech bros possibly attempting to take over UFO technology.

1:18:57 Could Elon Musk be aware of the UFO reality?

1:22:14 Rob’s thoughts Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez’s efforts to bring more mainstream science on board of the topic. 

1:25:39 Can Donald Trump be ‘The Disclosure President’?

1:32:13 Rob’s incoming projects. 

1:35:11 Rob’s combative nature with social media trolls.

0:38:02 Outro.

Sources:

Sub Rosa: Organized Secrecy paper by Rob Jones: https://substack.com/home/post/p-173960547

Rob Jones on X: https://x.com/burningrob

UAP Gerb's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UAPGerb

Joe Rogan on American Alchemy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Na1tI5qpw&t=334s

Jesse Michels' tweet: https://x.com/AlchemyAmerican/status/1994886938567078044

Art from The Astral on X: https://x.com/The_Astral_/status/1870472034716901669

Jesse on Joe Rogan's show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Ldl70x5Fg&t=8349s

David Fravor on Joe Rogan: https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?si=fCc81Sre28hAHeeZ

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