Journalist-turned-novelist Amy Chozick (Chasing Hillary, The Girls on the Bus) joins us to discuss her debut novel, With Friends Like You. We talk about leaving hard-news journalism for fiction, the surprising freedom of writing something that isn't "about her," adapting her own memoir for HBO Max, and the real story behind her new book's tangled mommy-and-me friendship plot. Plus: casting her dream movie adaptation, her thoughts on Lena Dunham, Martha Stewart as an icon, Bravo obsessions, and the fictional character she's built her whole personality around.

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