British politicians are obsessed with growth. But what if putting growth at the centre of economic policymaking is a mistake? 

Economist and founding director of the UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose Mariana Mazzucato argues that it is. 

Ten years since her book The Entrepreneurial State: Debunking Public v Private Sector Myths was first published, Oli chats to her about what Labour and the Conservatives get wrong about economic policy.

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