In this episode of Policy Chats, Thomas Countryman joins host Dori Pham to discuss his career in diplomacy and the realities of nuclear arms control policymaking. Drawing on his experience as Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation, he explains how negotiations actually work inside government and why consistency is critical in preventing nuclear proliferation. The conversation explores the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, current U.S.–Iran tensions, and the challenges of balancing ideal goals with practical outcomes in diplomacy. The episode concludes with insights on the future of global arms control and why sustained dialogue remains essential in reducing nuclear risk.🔍 Topics Covered:- Thomas Countryman’s path to becoming a career diplomat- The role of the State Department in arms control and nonproliferation- How diplomacy works behind the scenes vs. public perception- The importance of consistency in nuclear nonproliferation policy- The 2015 Iran nuclear deal and lessons from its negotiation- Current U.S.–Iran tensions and challenges in modern diplomacy- The role of NGOs like the Arms Control Association in shaping policy- The future of global arms control and nuclear risk reduction📍 This episode is produced by the UCR School of Public Policy and features insights that align with our motto: “Solutions for the Region, Solutions for the World.”Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the interviewers and guests alone and do not reflect the official positions of the UC Riverside School of Public Policy or the University of California, Riverside.🎧 Guest Speaker: Thomas Countryman, former Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation and Chair of the Board of the Arms Control Association🎙️ Interviewed by: Dori Pham, Host of Policy Chats 🎵 Music by Vir Sinha🔗 Learn more: spp.ucr.edu/podcast📱 Follow us on Instagram: @ucr_spp👉 Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode exploring how policy shapes our future.