It's 2026, and we still don't have a plastics treaty. Will we get one, what kind, and when? All of that is up in the air at this point. And after the failed round of negotiations last summer in Geneva, some strange insights emerged: During the last night, a mysterious midnight meeting took place, seemingly to take down the Chair, the person running the negotiation process between states. And - coincidence or not - later in the fall, the Chair did actually step down. Now a new Chair was just elected - showing that if countries want, they can get things done with a vote. In this episode, Magnus Lovold of NAIL, the Norwegian Academy of International Law and a long-time observer of the process, shares his research on that middle-of-the-night meeting and chats with Anja about what happened since, and what might happen next. How many times will the diplomats need to meet until they can conclude an agreement?