In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are debating ambition: do you really need to be super ambitious to have a successful career? What level of ambition is the ideal amount? And can you be ambitious in both work and life in equal measure?

00:00 Intro

01:21 How we’re defining “ambition”

05:42 Can you succeed without ambition?

13:30 What is the opposite of ambition?

17:05 Kaila’s framework for thinking about the qualities necessary for career success

18:18 How ambitious SHOULD you be?

24:04 Can you be ambitious at work and have some level of work life balance?

27:07 Advice if you’re questioning your own level of ambition

31:46 Work Rants

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