In this third Gospel, Race, and Belonging conversation, Evan sits down in the Wickhams’ living room with three amazing women who help lead Park Hill Church — Pastor Sandy Wickham, Pastor Arielle Dortch, and Nicolette Herrera.

All three are experienced pastors and leaders — but in this episode, Evan didn’t ask them to preach or teach. He asked them to simply be real.

What follows is a raw, funny, and deeply honest conversation about faith, ethnicity, leadership, and belonging as women of color in a predominantly white church. It’s full of laughter, vulnerability, and grace — a glimpse of what true spiritual family sounds like.

Our hope is that this conversation inspires holy and disruptive conversations in your own homes and communities — for the sake of deeper unity in Jesus.