This week Sarah goes live with Heather Delaney Reese to mark America’s 250th — and somehow gets from reporting the news in a 1776 costume to World Cup joy, leaving MAGA, the great recession, and a Hungarian cab driver who’d give anything to come back. Two women who’ve been online since the Blogger days trade notes on disappointment, perspective, Rick Atkinson, and Frederick Douglass, and land on Sarah’s stubborn theory of hope: we are, at our core, ungovernable a******s, and the Declaration was never a gift — it was an invitation to seize it.

Episode Resources

* The British Are Coming — Rick Atkinson (The Revolution Trilogy)

* Leaving MAGA — Rich Logis

* The American Revolution — Ken Burns documentary

* The Pit — HBO Max

* Pachinko — Min Jin Lee

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