Gov. Gavin Newsom cried at the mall when his oldest child got her first phone. 

“She got her first telephone number, and then she called me, at the store. And that's when I cried,” he said during a wide-ranging chat with “Pacific Standard Time.” 

During the conversation, Newsom, a likely 2028 presidential candidate who terms out as governor next year, explained the challenges of regulating AI and keeping his kids off TikTok, complimented Mayor Daniel Lurie’s first year in office, and reflected on how some of the challenges he faced as San Francisco’s mayor in the early 2000s have persisted through his tenure as governor (ahem: homelessness).

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