What do LLMs mean for the future of software engineering? Will vibe-coded AI slop be the norm? Will software engineers simply be less in-demand? Rain and David join Bryan and Adam to discuss how rigorous use of LLMs can make for much more robust systems.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, we were joined by Rain Paharia, and David Crespo.

Previously, on Oxide and Friends:

• OxF s03e08 – Does a GPT future need software engineers
• OxF s04e04 – Helios
• OxF s05e28 – Systems Software in the Large
• OxF s04e20 – Pragmatic LLM Usage with Nicholas Carlini

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• The issue Bryan was fixing
• iddqd: the crate Rain built
• Ghostty
  • David's bugs: 1 2 3
• Rain's nextest bug: SIGTTOU when test spawns interactive shell
• Oxide RFD 619: Managing types across Dropshot API versions
• drift: the crate Adam built

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