New Yorker staff writer Patrick Radden Keefe is the author of several books, including “Empire of Pain” and “The Snakehead.” He talks with Matthew about “Say Nothing,” an award-winning book that was later adapted into a TV series on FX.

On the agenda: The importance of outlining, the joys of research, and learning how and when to trust your gut. To Keefe, great reporting in 2025 must be accessible:” Personally, I want people to read what I'm writing,” he says. There's a point beyond which I'm not gonna dumb it down. But I will take no satisfaction from having like preserved, like, my belletristic integrity and insisted on the two paragraph description of what the landscape looks like,” he adds.”I do think that if you don't consider your audience, it just feels sort of self-indulgent.”

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